sebastion, no one is forcing you to pay anything. You and scirra were not locked in a contract that is now being broken. If you still feel it's not worth payinng to invest in c3, after this rather poorly planned revelation process is completed, you are free to carry on using c2 without paying any more. Unless you keep on buying c2 for your friends, but that's all up to you.

If you want to use C3, you are forced to subscribe to it. There's no way around it. No one mentioned broken contracts, so I don't know what you are talking about. The fact that I can continue to use C2 goes without saying. I never claimed otherwise. No, it's very doubtful I'll pay for any more friends to have C2. What would be the point?

They can't ask for more money.

The C2 license only works if the user base is fairly successful.

Then that hinges on that success bringing in more users that are in turn successful.

That hasn't happened.

The current model is not sustainable.

It only works when you can stay ahead of saturation, and this is a niche market.

So anyway, asking them to keep the same method is the same as asking them to go out of business and that is a moral issue with me.

No one is asking Scirra to go out of business. You asked a hypothetical question, and I answered. I'm not asking for C3 to have the exact same pricing model as C2. I'm simply against a subscription model. It's not the only profitable business model. I know I've said this before to you, it shows a lack of imagination on your part if you think subscriptions are they only way Scirra can profit from C3.

Tom is also considering changing the payment plan. So maybe things will be looking good now.

I'm not ready to believe that just yet. I'm also not ready to be wrong about them.

I asked Clickteam to confirm if Fusion 3 will be subscription based as well.

One of the main developers (Marv) has confirmed that it will not be subscription based like construct3

https://community.clickteam.com/threads ... post714137

They are already talking about what's going on here and bracing their server for the flood of construct2 users <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing">

So far the only hope for scirra is that construct 3 will come out a month or two before fusion 3, in that period of time if by some miracle they manage to change people's views on the whole license thing (which seems to be the main issue for most users here) - it might not be as bad

It will be interesting to see how things develop. I see that this community has a number of very loyal users and that the company has experience with going against the tide . hats off for that. I will be very impressed if this turns out to be a success! The technology itself is exciting- the editor being pure html5 makes a lot of sense and imo is a brilliant step towards making it run everywhere. I got excited about it running on mobile. But the price and the type of license still does not justify what we get from it, when you pit it against the competition - both game maker and clickteam fusion have a better deal. What else is in that editor that makes scirra so confident? It makes me want to wait and see what will be revealed.

I think that this voting thread would be more fair if you still had to pay for major version upgrades. Paying once for a lifetime does not make sense , but paying rent makes even less sense. I would rather vote for something in the middle - pay for major version upgrades that bring new features that are worth it. So pay once for 3, then pay upgrade fee to bump up to 3.5 and so on

Which is a better product, C2 or Fusion 2.5? Someone is another thread said C2 was better, but failed to explain why. Fusion 3 is looking very promising from what I've read.

>

> > What happens when you don't pay the electric bill?

> >

>

> ...

>

> Software is not analogous to electricity.

>

Try running a business and not paying some bills.

Im sure you'll see a correlation eventually.

the general issues with the exporter options (and there are a lot...) that you have to use the third party, and one time works,and another times not.... and other stuff like that?

check the forum and you will see it...

I'm sorry you are having general issues with exporter options, but I was talking about the pricing model.

They can't do that with the current license.

Do what?

> Sorry, I don't really follow what you are saying. What problem of Construct 2 are you referring to?

>

check the forum and you will see.

Ugh... Check for what?

> It's a moral issue for me.

>

If they were about to go out buisness, and they asked you to pay more so that they could keep the doors open would you agree to that?

Yes.

Edit: Within reason.

>

> > Sebastian bottom line is if $8/month is too much for you, there are many other tools for you to use. I'd like to think your time would be better used creating with one of those engines than spending it complaining about construct 3

> >

>

> You are making assumptions. $8/month is not too expensive for me. I'm against a company switching their business ethics and the subscription model. I invested a lot of time learning C2, I paid for the license 3 times because I wanted my friends to use it, and I was expecting C3 to have the same pricing model as C2. I seem to remember Ashley saying in a interview the price would probably be similar to C2. It's a moral issue for me.

>

it depends, I prefer to pay a year if I get a software that value that money (and every time improve) that paid one time and have the same problem as construct2...

ask everyone, if they prefer paid one time with the same problem of contruct2 or paid 1 time a year and have a software that works without any problem... you will see what will be the most answer

Sorry, I don't really follow what you are saying. What problem of Construct 2 are you referring to?

Sebastian bottom line is if $8/month is too much for you, there are many other tools for you to use. I'd like to think your time would be better used creating with one of those engines than spending it complaining about construct 3

You are making assumptions. $8/month is not too expensive for me. I'm against a company switching their business ethics and the subscription model. I invested a lot of time learning C2, I paid for the license 3 times because I wanted my friends to use it, and I was expecting C3 to have the same pricing model as C2. I seem to remember Ashley saying in a interview the price would probably be similar to C2. It's a moral issue for me.

>

> >

> >

> > I'd much rather pay for tools that can help me create content that I could sell and possibly make a living from vs something i simply consume. Musicians pay thousands of dollars in software and equipment to create music and I'm sure they'd easily trade places with indie game developers. We have it easy. Buy a computer, cheap software and start creating.

> >

>

> The fact that you would rather be a developer than a musician is irrelevant. You missed the point entirely.

>

I don't think he said that at all.

Which is actually missing the point.

Explain it to me then, because it sounded like he was saying it's cheaper to be a developer than a musician, which had nothing to do with what I said. My point was comparing Spotify to C3 is not a fair comparison.