Subscription for something I use for fun occasionally = No

Subscription for a tool that needs Chrome to run = No (chrome is not allowed to be installed on my machine)

Subscription for a tool that runs in any browser = No

Subscription so I can use cloud services = No (I don't want a cloud service/complier whatever)

I already have C2 Business edition, and C3 has nothing new that compels me to upgrade to it, and even if it did, the above reasons just rule out buying it.

The only advantage with this browser model is cross platform, but in my book cross platform is not a browser, it is a properly compiled native application.

Also the subscription model is really only viable for professional use, and we all know that those that did make successful games with C2, have for various reasons moved to develop their product with other technologies.

C2 and its successor C3 are great for either hobbyist use or prototyping - but not for commercial interests. For this reason alone a subscription model is not a viable option.

If you are a hobbyist that has a few hours here and there to play - you may as well just use C2.

If you are a professional who uses the tool for prototyping - you may as well just use C2.

To me, there is no incentive to subscribe to this model at all.

So while I appreciate the work Scirra have put into this, I just find the whole C3 deal a real let down, not just the subscription, but the whole direction it has gone in.

EDIT: This has been designed from the ground up to be a subscription\cloud based product - so the op 'petition' will not likely be considered.

Oh so after all that I guess it is obvious I won't buy C3 - sorry

Just read through some of the many bug reports for C3.

There were about 6 pages of bug reports the first day but from what I see Scirra has closed about half of them with the same response that is should be fixed in the next release or can't do anything about it or your computer is the problem not C3.

I thought Scirra said they had internal bug reporting built into C3 so they could get accurate bug reports to fix problems?

Anyway, the Scirra response to most of these C3 bugs seems to be the same as we got with bugs in C2. That does not bode well for getting problems fixed anytime soon.

Just my observation.

Yeah, been looking through the bug thread too, and just reminds me why I left C2 some two years back.

So just going back to 3D land now.

Happy game making everyone. Just remember to disable all your useful add-ons, so you make your game - lol.

Why not just state clearly that after the beta you can only use the full version upon purchase.

You could not be accused of anything underhanded by any rational person.

And how can you find all the bugs if most of the features are not accessible?

Most people will not be using the beta to help find bugs, but to see if they want to enter a subscription for the tool.

With respect

Michael

Most of the new features are subscriber-only so you can't try them out in the public beta right now (although you will be able to during the Newgrounds Gamejam). Take a look through the blog posts, there is actually a lot new in C3, it's just not all accessible right now.

Ashley, with respect,

I really dislike the whole browser thing and will just stick with C2 for fun with the kids, and stay in the 3D world - so very unlikely I will subscribe, sorry.

However I do appreciate the work and ingenuity you have put into C3 - but being locked down for a beta just makes no sense to me - at all.

I really think it would go a long way to sell C3 if you unlock the whole engine, let people see what C3 has to offer, let them play with all the features for the whole beta period, not just for a one week game jam session that only the more experienced users will take part in.

There is no point telling people about the cool features they can't test, and saying that they will love it in the full version when they subscribe.

Throw them the bait, so they can really see if they want to swallow it, or just spit it out.

Just my 2 cents for what little it is worth

I do however wish yourself and all the Scirra team the best of luck.

Michael

He'll be back. Once he start pulling his hair in frustration trying to code stuff or spending way more time doing simple things, he'll miss the Event Sheet way of doing things...

For something I use almost daily. If someone offered me 2 option. 1st option is a hammer for one time payment, but it takes 30 seconds get one nail in. The other option is a rental nailgun that allows me to get to punch out 10 nails per minute in, I'll definitely choose the nailgun.

Welcome back if you can swallow your pride, and ever feel that the tool itself is more important than payment model.

Na, just buy the nailgun - lol

We don't want server-based anything - Don't host anything - simple.

All they need to do is drop the being locked out of your project after twelve month and it would be fine.

I mentioned somewhere else on these forums that I have a suite of components for UI dev in VS which is a twelve month sub type system. But if you don't renew the sub you can't get updates, additions. or bug fixes - you do however get to keep and use the components forever after that. Additionally you can renew your sub at any time you want - even years later - at a reduced price.

I can renew it now if I want, although I haven't done so for nearly two years, because there is nothing new added that I need.

This way you are not milking them by expecting never ending work done to the tools, and they are not milking you by expecting you to keep paying to use the tools.

Much fairer system I think.

C2 had lots of things added over it's life time, that were still in need of refinement, but never got it - pay a sub for half-baked additions?

Chrome is always adding little bugs here and there that eventually may get fixed but definitely not when you need it to be fixed - pay a sub to rely on Chrome?

Most hobbyists hate to rent tools - subs a good idea?

The way C3 is being marketed - nothing jumping out as a must have yet. From the current blogs I get the feeling that C3 is just C2 ported to a browser with a few teaks that should have been added to C2 anyway.

So not wowed at all - I thinks it would be better to just tell us everything there is to know about this new tool, instead of playing this weird slow leak game.

But anyway best of luck to Scirra.

OS independency (writing with mobile phone. Short answer^^)

well, you don't need a browser for that - there are much better ways that trusting another third party.

Developing on a smart phone - really - how big is your smart phone - lol