Construct 2 - Realistic State after 1 gazilion downloads

> Node-webkit is perfect.

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It's not. Node webkit has no hardware acceleration for XP and vista.

XP is being discontinued and a dinosaur (still a fantastic OS, but no updates means time to move on - sniff sniff), and vista - well, Um, um, um,

But a good point.

Most of the examples we see of poor performance on mobile are GPU-bottlenecked, not logic bottlenecked, so a native engine with faster logic wouldn't improve performance. If you have logic-bottlenecked games I'm happy to run them through a profiler and make any optimisations we can to the engine.

BTW we've decided to force ignoring the GPU blacklist in node-webkit on Windows only in the next build. This might break games on systems with crappy drivers, but it may be that it's overall better than not having hardware acceleration on XP or Vista at all.

I can understand Ashley's position, even though I've felt the same way Arima. MMF2/Clickteam spent years making exporters, but the performance, issues and features were terrible on every one of them (especially since MMF2 is so reliant on 3rd party plugins for features) you can't make a big/serious game that runs on more than 1 platform (or 2 at best if you like limitations). C2 has been in development for a fraction of the time and is already in a much better state than Clickteam's.

The XP/Vista thing is a shame, I'm suprised 10% of steam users still use it.

Mobile performance is almost doubling every 2 years, here is an interesting graphic :

[quote:2dv9jd5c]Based on new data for these components, our fundamental assessment is that the rate of performance increases for these seven enabling components of mobile innovation—memory, application processor, storage, infrastructure speed, device speed, imaging and display technology—is expected to decelerate only slightly between 2011 and 2016, relative to 2007 to 2011. - PWC

And here is an infographic about HTML5 :

http://www.csschopper.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Evoloution_of_HTML5_Infographic_csschopper.jpg

The XP/Vista thing is a shame, I'm suprised 10% of steam users still use it.

I'm surprised that only 10% of users use it (if true), because almost 30% of computers on the net are still running XP. (43%? for Win7).

The Steam stats are here if you want the facts: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ (Click on OS version to get more details.)

Wow. originally I was VB.net programmer. I even developed a software IDE that lets you use almost any language in combination with any scripting language providing special features. I had heavy HTML and server side scripting knowledge. But when I starting to look for the right environment to develop games, I chose C2, after extensive research. In addition, I continue to try new solutions and development environments, but the guys from Scirra continue to keep C2 at the head of the curve with continuous MAJOR additions and updates. I've found it to be the most robust development environment there is in it's class. I've been developing a range of games with C2. Most are for the mobile web. However, I'm also developing a pseudo 3D game with C2, that other developers told me I can't do in a 2D environment.

Check this gameplay video

C2 has made me a better coder...

http://www.neoprofessor.com

http://www.nakedgametalk.com

Well this is taken from actual browser data (February 2014), not a survey.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating ... pcustomd=0

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57618 ... ndows-8.1/

XP 29.53%

Win7 47.31%

Not saying the Steam claims are wrong, just that they appear out of line with what overall usage is, plus a survey isn't as reliable as hard data.

It doesn't really matter what the overall usage is because Steam represents the largest computer gaming market by far (although it does depend on who you want money from). There are a lot of companies and schools running XP for instance that wouldn't even play games...

Although 10% of steam is still a large population of gamers on Steam (that's twice as many users as there are on Mac/Linux which make up a combined total of 5%!) So I'm not trying to downplay that significance.

C2 should be able to export the cleanest, highest performing, most exemplary mobile games in the world. It already does so many other things so extremely well...it's time to add this feature to the brand so it really does become the undisputed 'Complete Package' on the market

It doesn't really matter what the overall usage is because Steam represents the largest computer gaming market by far (although it does depend on who you want money from).

Wow, I just had a look at their survey data. Over 17% speak Russian?

[quote:35cdspbe]English 49.88%+0.48%

Russian 17.48% -0.68%

German 5.38% +0.08%

Spanish 4.76% -0.13%

However You cut the numbers it's a lot of people still using XP for sure...Me being one of them.

I don't see it as any surprise that many still use XP, lets face it you go buy a more powerful PC install a more recent resource eating, bloated O.S and voila your PC is the same speed...

Not only that but a PC is usually full of a users private, documents, work, photos, programs ect ect, collected over many years that may not be compatible with a newer O.S or they simply do not feel the need to upgrade when their current P.C and O.S does everything they ask of it...

Wow. originally I was VB.net programmer. I even developed a software IDE that lets you use almost any language in combination with any scripting language providing special features. I had heavy HTML and server side scripting knowledge. But when I starting to look for the right environment to develop games, I chose C2, after extensive research. In addition, I continue to try new solutions and development environments, but the guys from Scirra continue to keep C2 at the head of the curve with continuous MAJOR additions and updates. I've found it to be the most robust development environment there is in it's class. I've been developing a range of games with C2. Most are for the mobile web. However, I'm also developing a pseudo 3D game with C2, that other developers told me I can't do in a 2D environment.

Check this gameplay video

C2 has made me a better coder...

http://www.neoprofessor.com

http://www.nakedgametalk.com

Wow thats just amazing, not even sure how to even begin making a pseudo 3d game with C2 like that heh

An awful lot of posts in this thread, both from users and from Scirra staff, palm off problems as being solved in some vague, undefined future. This does nothing to solve the problems of users in the here and now, and when these problems

a.) render advertised functionality (iOS exporter, for one notorious example) practically non-functional without the use of live sacrifice or other forbidden magics

b.) have sat around un-addressed for literal years while the developers work on features that, while cool and flashy, are slightly less important than Making Things Work

...it's hard to maintain faith in the concept of C2 being viable for non-desktop games. It's great that things are finally getting in motion with the Crosswalk partnership, but the Ludei debacle should have been dealt with long ago, and the seeming current attitude of "cross your fingers and hope a thing happens" is extremely discouraging.

However You cut the numbers it's a lot of people still using XP for sure...Me being one of them.

Windows XP is 13 years old. It is no longer supported by Microsoft, so it's illogical that others should do so, despite how you feel about it. Windows 7 and 8 are fine. Windows XP, as nice and stable as it may have been for you, is done. Take the plunge and get a new computer with a better OS. There are so many basic things that Windows XP cannot even do that it boggles the mind why people still even use it. Especially people who fancy themselves game developers or web designers.

Just my opinion, though. Cue someone to come in here and defend Windows XP until the cows come home, I guess.