Construct 3 - many questions (native exporterts)

Jase00

I'm glad you found a solution, to be honest I just got really frustrated and perhaps that's why I gave up on C2(for complex games). Like I said, C2 is awesome... I'm sure you can make a lot of great games with it, but it's a nightmare if you are trying to create something very complex.

lennaert

Are you sure? If you take a good look to the ghost song thread you will see that the developer is using a lot of layers, physics, particles, objects, he is not even using tiles at all. I'm sure there might be a work around or like you say a different approach but still I don't think C2 can handle that many assets.

—[quote:1cenk2tl]damn i sat here, wrote a 2 page comment, then deleted it and im just saying this .. NO ... hell noo... dont compare SCRATCH with C2 and if u saying u dident then u dont know stencyl.. and we should never have this conversation.

Your post didn't make a lot of sense, i'm not sure what you are saying. But if you are trying to argue, well... i'm not interested

—[quote:ggegbm2o]and for comparison ... Stencyl = Scratch

oh, I get it now... well that's not true at all.

That's like saying... Construct 2 = Clickteam fusion 2.5

Just because they are similar, it doesn't mean they are the same.

I don't know why you guys look at stencyl like if it was the worst thing ever.

Perhaps you had some bad experiences in the past? but it seems fine now.

I'm not a fan boy I just use what works, thats it.

droxon

--- never mind...

as for the stencyl=scratch read stencyl license and terms of conditions ul see its source code is from scratch ... from day 1, there for it has limitations. unless they redo it entirely in some new framework not using scratch mit source code anymore which limits the compatibilities with so many platforms, outside web content.

—[quote:34154p92]its never going to be better in performance the the stage it is now, so c2 may be having performance issues now, but later on will be always open space for improvement.

How do you know that? Performance can increase or decrease on either engine.

The guys at stencyl implemented haxe and openfl in version 3, so I'm guessing anything can happen.

Construct 1 exported .exe files only, and now it's Html5 only.

It's a software, anything can change.

lennaert

Are you sure? If you take a good look to the ghost song thread you will see that the developer is using a lot of layers, physics, particles, objects, he is not even using tiles at all. I'm sure there might be a work around or like you say a different approach but still I don't think C2 can handle that many assets.

Quite sure.

It does not really matter what is applied or used.

It matters how it is applied and used.

Construct 2 has the same functions and then some.

If the amount of assets would become an issue, you would have to split up your layouts and objects more wisely.

Er..C2 would have no problem doing something like Ghost Song. Ghost Song keeps each room in a separate layout so there aren't very many objects at any given time. There are no physics. He doesn't use tiles because terrain 'stamps' are more versatile and the better option for this type of game.

As for all the particle effects and such, Stencyl has "simple actors" for graphics and fx that have practically no overheard whatsoever. C2 might benefit from something similar, but I'm not sure a bunch of single-frame sprites will be that bad either.

I would think The Next Penelope is FAR more intensive than Ghost Song and I haven't seen many people complaining about performance on that..

(sorry for double post. forums are screwed right now)

I'm always happy to investigate the performance of any .capx files if you think the C2 engine is the bottleneck. Usually however either people complain but don't send me anything so there's nothing I can do, or they send something and it is clearly bottlenecked on the hardware, e.g. hammering the GPU fillrate or ramming it full of WebGL shaders. In that case a native engine won't help since you'll just run in to the same hardware limitations. This is part of the reason I am very skeptical of claims to move to a native engine to solve performance issues - none of those hardware-bottlenecked games will get faster.

Note that if it occasionally drops frames, that's not the same as a performance issues, that's more to do with the browser v-sync scheduling. Chrome has had some issues with that lately, but they're getting a lot better (Canary is already much improved for me). In these cases the engine/hardware are perfectly capable of hitting 60FPS, or possibly even much higher, but timing errors in the v-sync scheduler mean it occasionally fails to schedule a new frame even when it has the resources to do so. That should not be confused with performance issues where the engine or hardware do not have the necessary resources to reach 60 FPS.

Note that single frame Sprites with no behaviors are specifically optimised to be zero overhead in the C2 engine.

Chrome has had some issues with that lately

What if it never gets better? How can you rely on third party if that can make C2 look bad if they do something wrong?

Just to be clear I'm not talking about browsers, it will be insane to create a new browser right? but what about Nw.js?

Or any other of the third party wrappers you rely on. Is it that hard to create your own wrappers?(considering that native export is not an option anymore)

At least this way you will have full control over it.

I know that Nw.js is getting better and also the intel xdk is getting better, but what if they get worse?

I might be talking crazy here, it's just an opinion. (i'm pretty sure I'm not the only one)

What if one day nobody uses Windows more and only Steam OS? What if one day computers will have 3 legs and run away if you click a mouse button? What if...

We always depend on third party software and hardware! As a developer you never should depend on one solution. If one day C2 doesn't work more for you, then you need to learn another engine. That's it

We've now hit the inevitable "Why don't Scirra make their own wrapper?" point of the eternal "C2 doesn't work very well discussion", with a side portion of "C2 depends too much on 3rd parties".

None of these points are bad or wrong. In an ideal world C2 would have a game focused, light weight, cutting edge HTML5 wrapper tailored for each platform. But Scirra's a small team making two products.

They've recently expanded, and personally I hope some of the new resources go to finally ending these deployment debates - I'd love a C2 fork of nw.js, but I'll settle for a stable product.

You can find a couple stencyl games here and you can see that they have great performance, I'm not even sure if C2 can handle something like ghost song... (i don't think so)

So why wouldn't C2 be able to handle something like Ghost Song? Just curious.

I saw the gameplay on their kickstarter page and kudos for reaching their goal but the game (from what i've seen so far) is nothing out of the ordinary that would require any high processing. Considering that the Metroid style games are a much slower and less action oriented than the Contra run'and'gun types. BTW, the developer did mentioned that he would be switching to Unity for the final product though.

Never mind then, I might be the only one... it seems that C2 can handle pretty much anything, its the most powerful game engine out there

the developer did mentioned that he would be switching to Unity for the final product though.

He switched to unity, but then went back to stencyl.

Never mind then, I might be the only one... it seems that C2 can handle pretty much anything, its the most powerful game engine out there

No one's saying that, we've all hit walls with C2 (seriously if anyone can tell me how to generate a seamless trail I will die happy) - but the more you learn to work with it, the more you'll learn that these obstacles can be overcome.

As with literally every tool.

Never mind then, I might be the only one... it seems that C2 can handle pretty much anything, its the most powerful game engine out there

Of course it is. Otherwise you'd be using something else much more powerful, like stencyl or unity .