paradine's Forum Posts

  • The only remotely practical way to write a set of cross-platform native exporters would be to rely on some kind of existing framework or library, which... relies on third parties. I struggle to see why this is an argument for native exporters.

    We understand it, but it is not the same. Now we depend on libraries, depend on Crosswalk, depend on Intel XDK, depend on relationships between Intel XDK and Crosswalk and so on.

    With native exporters we will depend on libraries and Scirra only. And it's normal to depend on Scirra, because we pay money to Scirra, that is why Scirra is much more interested to make the exporters work well than Intel XDK and Crosswalk.

    Also if Scirra's native exporter will show us bad result, Scirra should try to solve the problem.

    And now, if I have problems with the export, the anwser is "exporters is not our problem, wait a few years and may be Intel XDK will try to make it better".

    This contradicts what I've seen, and I've done profiling for some of the largest C2 games like Airscape. As ever, I am absolutely keen for anyone with poorly performing .capx files to send them to me (preferably in minimal form like a bug report) so I can optimise anything that needs to be. I repeat this with every thread that ever crops up like this, so I've said it a lot, and I am either sent nothing, sent games which are incredibly inefficiently designed, or games which are GPU-bottlenecked. So even if what you say is true, I'd be very interested to see any examples of that, because I almost never see them myself.

    I have ALREADY posted such examples and you just ignored my posts.

  • You solved over 200 developer problems, for construct ? where ? With just 55 posts on this here forum with half of them being about extra features to make it more 'comfortable' for you .... I find this hard to believe.

    For construct on

    I have 1270 posts and 235 reputation points there.

    When I help somebody, he can click plus-button and give me +1 to reputation.

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  • May I ask how you came to those figures regarding the 20% being GPU bottlenecked ?

    I have solved more than 200 problems of other developers. Many of them were about the performance.

    Also I have created 4 my own games and 3 games are in development.

    When I tried to make my games run 60 dps on PC and Android I had to reduce the number of particles, reduce some physics options, reduce some pathfinding options.

    But I had no problems with GPU.

    Also 80% of people who asked me to help them with the performance had CPU bottlenecked games.

    If the Russian developers consider this hard, I can definitely say that the Russian developers are far from any professional level of programming and are unaware of the workloads involved with the finer aspects of their request.

    In Russia we like comfort. It's not hard to spend time reading manuals and making hundreds of extra clicks, it's just boring.

    I fill I understand why Steve Jobs sometimes became angry talking to his employees - do you really hate comfort?

  • You could grab their posts with that information, translate it for us, and post it here for others to read too ?

    Well, good idea. I have created the topic about native exporters on c2community.ru - also there is a voting.

    My translation of the first post:

    Construct 2 must have native exporters to make export more simple and independent from third party companies. Also it should greatly encrease the performance and compatibility with the platforms.

  • Perhaps have those Russian developers here post themselves with their findings, that would support their cause a lot better I suppose.

    The most part of russian developers does not know english language, that is why I was chosen to speak from our community.

    But if you want, I can create the same topic on http://c2community.ru/ and you will be able to read that topic.

    If you don't know russian, you may use google translate.

  • first of all - i don't know how "good" those developers are, but obviously not "the most professional" if they can't make a game that runs on mobile. also the most professionals go for C++. and third of all - CPU bottlenecked? WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?

    I am talking about creator of http://c2community.ru/ and developers, which created the most popular games.

    Sorry, but I guess you are a troll or just a developer-beginner.

    Otherwise there is no reason to fight against native exporters.

    Your arguments againsts native exporters are as nonsense as arguments that horses are better than cars.

  • > Why do we need native exporters:

    >

    > 1. CPU bottlenecked games will run much faster.

    > P.S. 80% games are CPU bottlenecked and only 20% are GPU bottlenecked.

    >

    >

    Where do these figures come from?

    Please quote source.

    The source is experience of developers from russian community.

    I am speaking from community, not from myself.

    The most professional russian developers decided that I should speak from the whole russian community.

  • Why do we need native exporters:

    1. CPU bottlenecked games will run much faster.

    P.S. 80% games are CPU bottlenecked and only 20% are GPU bottlenecked.

    P.S.S. I have already showed you many cases of such games and proved my opinion.

    2. We will not depend on third party exporters

    P.S. I understand that we will still depend on other third party tecknoligies, but It is not the same.

    3. Export will be one-click.

    P.S. It is not the main reason, but it will be cool to spend less time for boring things.

  • I desided that I need native exporters.

    But also I decided that I don't want to use other editors.

    That's why I want Scirra to create native exporters for C3.

    I am ready to pay extra money for native export.

    What am I doing wrong?

    Ashlay

    I found a very easy way to understand what C3 features people really need.

    Create voting on the main page of like this:

    "What feature is the most important for you? You can shoose only one feature:

    1. Native exporters

    2. Windows, Mac and Linux Support

    3. Multi-Language Support

    4. Editor Plugin SDK

    5. Construct 2 Compatibility"

  • Does anyone have a solid example of Unity performance being better?

    How many times should I repeat?

    I have ALREADY posted the same "game" via Crosswalk (different versions) and native APK in this topic.

    Native APK runs better than even HMTL5 version and of course it runs better than Crosswalk APK.

    I don't mean just listing complex or successful indie games (because, spoiler alert, complex games are made by talented developers - not tools!) - I mean a side by side, equal quality performance comparison.

    And why do you think talented developers create their PC games on Unity?

    Why don't they use C2 to create PC games?

    The answer is clear for everyone - they need native export.

  • that logic is flawed paradine.

    you didn't include the feeling of driving which some people love. also you didn't include the time needed to develop teleportation - probably won't be around next 100 years maybe more. then all the initial risks and probably deaths by teleportation.

    also you didn't include that in 100 years you will be dead when teleportation becomes reality. to achieve progress you go progressively. you know that first car was working on steam? now we're soon entering the era of electric cars, and teleportation probably comes after that.

    also if you prefer no cars - then i guess you can travel 500miles on your bycicle or by foot since teleportation doesn't exist.

    i'm pretty sure you can't be so strong to run around the world. you're not goku. and you should stop talking nonsense and OFFTOPIC.

    My post about the cars was a metaphor, I used it to show you, that arguments against native exporters are as nonsense as arguments against cars.

  • Why would people use cars?

    You can just train your body and you will be enough strong to run to different places by yourself.

    Also in the future people will create teleports that is why creating cars is a bad idea.

    There is no need to create cars.

  • Ashley

    I guess, you don't understand one very-very important thing.

    If not-native exporter will be even perfect they could only give us just HTML5 performance...

    But desktop games should have much better performance than HTML5 tecknology.

    And, I guess, non-native exporters will not ever be perfect that's why the only thing we will have is 20%-80% of HTML5 performance.

    You say that 1000 2D-images is too much. But how about games with 5000 3D-objects? How do they work if it is impossible?

    I have already posted native and not-native "game" in this topic. It proves that difference in performance is great.

    May be you can create voting on the main page of Scirra.com like

    "Will you pay for native exporters in C3?

    1. I don't need native exporters

    2. I want native exporters but would not pay any cent for them

    3. I would pay 50-100 $ for each exporter

    4. I would pay 50-100 $ for all the exporters

    5. Native exporters? Just take my money!"

  • Multi platform means that you can run html5 on different devices. windows, android, ios etc.

    So if you make a html5 game and post it on some web page you are able to run it from desktop browser, mobile browser... everything that is compatible with html5 technology - and this is not even close to what you think "native exporters" are.

    No, you are not right - you are wrong.

    The phrase is "...to all these platforms" and then there are icons of platforms. Among them there is HTML5 icon. That proves that the phrase is not about devices that support HTML5, but it is about different types of export.

    Visit the main page and find this phrase and read it again.

  • I don't understand people who say "Construct 2 is only HTML5 tool".

    The main page on http://www.scirra.com contains this phrase "True multiplatform support. Build your game in Construct 2 and publish it to all these platforms."

    Also I don't understand people who say "Construct 2 is only for simple games".

    The main page on http://www.scirra.com contains "Construct 2 lets YOU make advanced games!"

    Sorry, but the only way to have "True multiplatform support" is to create native exporters.

    I understand that very simple games can run fast also if they are made via XDK or NW, but "advanced games" can't run well.

    And, please, don't tell me that I don't understand anything in game optimisation - in this topic I had already posted the same game via native export and via different versions of XDK - the difference is great.

    Construct 2 is the greatest game editor ever. Event-action system is perfect.

    I think, In a few years there will appear game engine with perfect event-action system like C2 has and one-click native export like Unity has at the same time.

    This future engine will make it's developers VERY RICH.

    If Ashley will try his best, this engine will be Construct 3 and Ashley will be very rich.

    Otherwise, this engine will be Unity 3 and Ashley will not be very rich.

    P.S. Unity is taken just for example. Any other team who will understand that "perfect editor+perfect engine=rich developers" will succeed.