And with just moving the events arround ... to have a te biggest possible time in ticks between them,

usaly solved the problem, as you can see here.

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Now lets Do the Counting in a slower way.

With colissions, and as u see .. its is still out of sync.

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I made you a little showcase.

There can only be 9 objects on 1 line. And yet there get more counted.

Maybe you have a logical explination (or anyone reading for that matter),

that would be very nice.

But i am afraid that here only a "Quantum theory aproach" gives an outcome.

Namely.

There is interferention because there are two events running at the same time.

yeshhh ?

j0h

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To be short Ashley.

When you make an event that moves objects based on a condition.

And the Next event's condition should be true/false based on the just moved objects positions,

then there is a big chance that the next event runs,

before the objects are in place. Well big chance, 85% chance.

So if you do.

1. Event: On something false

________________action: move objects Y 40 down

2. Event: On something true

Condition: all objects with Y > 100

________________action: destroy those picked objects.

The just moved objects will NOT be in the picked objects, because still moving, even when you jump them.

I have no idea how to work arround this. Besides, Capture the true/false of the event. Use it as Flow-Control and Move up or down de second event in the sheet to seperate both events in time.

This why i ask you, is there a sorta event available that says "wait till previous event is done with dooing its thing"

ty

You could do it the old "Basic" way.

Use a string and break the string down with system "text" expressions.

This way you can build a (Q , d) array.

If u set the string as a private variable, this variable is differend for each instance, there is the (d) depht in your string.

The (Q) Que is the position in the string.

Now i dont know if u know how the acces system expressions. So excuse me for "over explaining".

Give an object a private variable called TheQue, type "text", intial value "0"

I allways give it a value at layout startup, so when you restart the layout, everything gets reset, and its polite to yourself to define variables in the events sheet. But thats up to you.

Now just for this lil "tutorial" make one system event "always"

Make a new action, acces the private variable 'TheQue' to change its value.

Now where u normal would type a value. We will put a system expression. Thats easy as:

On the bottom of the wizzard u find the objects listed again, including the system object.

Click system object. Now you have all expressions listed for the system object listed.

Look for text.

There u see "get left substring". Clicking it will bring "left(String, Count)" in the value field.

String got to be the private variable 'TheQue'. You get that out of the expressions, and the same way, of the object u gave the private variable to. This will give you something like "Sprite.Value('Variable name')", where Variable name will be TheQue. ('TheQue').

Count will be 1 for the first character in the string.

So to get the first in Que, it will be something like

left(Sprite.Value('TheQue''),1)

To add to the Que. Lets assume your initial value is numeric. Look voor the system expression "convert value to string" This returns "str(Value)" .. where u change value to ur value, or the value as an expression as getting a global variable, or private variable, even object.X or object.angle.

so add to the Que will be.

Sprite.Value('TheQue'') + str(value)

delete the first in Que will be

right(String, (len(String)-1))

or in your case

right(Sprite.Value('TheQue'') , (len(Sprite.Value('TheQue'') )-1))

Hope this helped you, or gave you a new direction to work to.

j0h

Where no one is waiting for. But i feel like i promissed. Its Beta.

Known issues:

The gray block has a delay, and i cant find out where it happens.

Its still containing objects i used for debugging.

Its still containing left over variables.

I did the keyboard input the wrong way, but it works.

The opening layout sux.

http://www.mediafire.com/?jlbb9d0cbcj

Ashley take a look into it. Place the "out of timing" block where it logical belongs.

In place of the "count & delete" block.

You can make the controls layer visible in the "on layout start", first line,

and exactly see what happens

You will notice that it runs & will be finished dooing so, before the previous event is done.

For the same reason i had to "countmach" against 12*x (12 24 48 ... ) blocks on a line.

Question: is there an event that goes like "on previous event done" ? I can find it.

Or is there a work-arround for that ? A lot of problems seem to have their origins in events needing the result of the previous event to be exact, but running before the previous event is done.

j0h

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Ah yes makes perfect sense in this case. Yet for a general rule. The pick event can be done in a subevent. In general i am not sure about combining "flow events/conditions" with "pick" events/conditions in one undivided blok. Would be an easy straightforwards rule to not do so ?

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As far as i understand. The routine to pick the objects runs first here. This routine is not instantly, its a bunch of code. Then the flow to the actions get blocked (or not) on the condition. Looks as a waste of CPU time ? And in general, in stead of fixing all those 1 by 1. An overall rule ristricting "flow" events combined with a "pick" event in the same undevided block would fix 95% of the fixes u agree to do ... allready ?

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still think the second line should be a sub event .. sowwy

7

Reads perfect, and should work. But it dont work at all. It seems like .self + 1 actions slip arround collssion dedections. I did not figure out yet why.

8

Runs perfectly, while 7 dont do what u expect. In base i tried to point to the high "try and error" level in learning construct. And thats not only because of bugs Ashley. Bugs are still accepted in this stage of developping. You know that.

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10

This is or a nasty bug, or i did something nasty. I started my early .caps over alot because of this one. Make the group "active" and run the event. See the error. It happens when you copy/paste a sprite to another layer, while deleting the orginal sprite. And yes i know you can drag objects from layer to layer in the layers pane. I figured that out after i found what caused the error.

99.

I wanted max. 10 points. Its no more then trying to let you see that "reviewing" the sheet engine is needed. I am sorry if i was a bother on the road to this point. I am sorry that i defended my ass.

Captain i have no problem with you, never had.

You produce the most .caps that have a something to learn from. You been most helpfull.

And i love the flow in your english. I also learn from that.

But as i said before. The "makers" of construct got to "review" the "control engine".

Thats not a command.

Thats an on facts based statement with no strings attached.

Its not judging.

I think i produced enough facts now. Dry and clean.

But considering my position, and the stranger i get taken for,

the statement is just a wish and wishfull thinking.

Do i have to express that ? In attitude and in a language thats not mine ?

I am not able to.

I am not able to take "sensibilty" in account when i write english.

I read it 50 times faster then Dutch, because my brains do not pronounce the words, they are soundless. And i dont get the nuances too.

I write it 20 times faster then dutch because, there is no mental spellchecker reading with me, my brain is not bizzy with "ethics' not whith "beaty of the words", not with ritme, sound and "sensibility"

But when i get comments, like i had, what do you expect me to answer ?

Let me state (again) that i am not here to demolish Construct.

I fully realise that the render engine is in beta, and the control engine is probaly in alfa.

I stated several times that i think the Whole is a great concept.

I know that i use rough english, i dont even speak it !!

And on top, i did't drink from the Holy Grale. I overlook things. There are things that i dont understand yet.

Althaught i produced some .caps, i still feel Newbie. And as long as Construct is not announced by Ashley as "close to finished", no one can be "expert".

All i do is drop "situations", point out "quirks", and show ways to "alternatives". I think its very cheap to critize and dont bring alternatives yourself. That is not how i am.

So look into this .cap, think a minute about what u see/read. Plz dont give me solutions. There are work arrounds, Construct is flexible. Look at it from the point of "should the wizzard allow this" .. and if yes, why ?

Ty

http://www.mediafire.com/?nhm5g1tym1j