Reading the blog post today that has already happened. Ashley says they are going to write a new runtime so I wouldn't expect any more support for C2 and like Construct Classic it was a great engine that was improperly advertised as an engine for professional game design.

I would hope Scirra puts C2 in public domain and let the people that designed all the plugins work it over and it would probably be a great engine but I doubt that will happen.

I know, I'm just saying this doesn't apply to me, hence why I would be moving away from C2.

The Construct 2 runtime in the Construct 2 editor (C2): this will see continued maintenance much as we have done for Construct 2 over the past year.

Doesn't look like they plan to dump it anytime soon. I'm just saying when they inevitably do dump it (hopefully) years down the road, that's the end of that.

Ashley Sorry if I'm coming across as a killjoy, I just am highly skeptical of anything that hasn't proven itself to me yet and I did say I would buy into the subscription model if there are extraordinary circumstances, which you've done many times with C2.

Subscription/Web based/Html5/Performance/native or non native -- None of those are any issues to me. As long as they keep the Event sheet and and keep improving by time I'm a happy camper. Without C2 (or the event sheet) I wouldn't be making any games at all probably.

I guess my biggest reason for not wanting to go along with this is because I planned on going to Unity after I finish my current game in C2, which I already know enough of C# in it to get by. This means I guess I don't have the problem like you and others who are in the same boat, so I don't even have to pay for anything until later to use Unity, and it's just a one-off fee. I just loved using C2 because it took 1/10 the time to get things done, but I guess that gravy train will come to a screeching halt when Scirra stops supporting C2.

I won't be "buying" it because you can only rent it. :p

I won't be doing renting, either. I don't feel thrilled with the prospect that if I don't have the money around time to pay dues, I have to put everything I was working with on hold for a month or more.

and then I'm sure they'll get upset anyway because something they once paid for no longer works..

I know, which is why I'm not going to pay into a subscription system because I will be upset the whole thing is inaccessible after I already put money into it, considering the above. :p

The idea is simple, at the end of each 12 month period of a subscription you can use the last major version without an active subscription. So if you purchase Construct 3 and then after 12 months cancel your subscription, you can continue to use it but receive no new updates.

This is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier reply. I would have no issue with a subscription system if I could keep using updates up to the point I stopped paying. That's essentially what Microsoft also does with Windows and I never heard anyone complain.

Speaking of which, I'm starting to think Scirra is actually going this route and they were either vague or misunderstood by everyone. I haven't really read into it much, but this just makes too much sense compared to they just want a subscription system that cuts you off entirely if you stop paying. I suspect this because of things like the editor works offline too.

The early versions of C2 were far, far more primitive than what we are launching now with C3. r45 came out in June 2011. We didn't add core features like audio support, animations, collision polygons, WebGL support, and more until later down the line.

I'm aware those versions are most likely cavemen paintings compared to C3 in its current state, I just prefer to consider the worst-case scenario of anything so I'm more prepared for curveballs life throws at me.

I would be willing to rent C3 if it was a rent-to-own model, even if I ended up paying more in the total cost of if it were just purchased outright, but I am extremely averse towards needing a subscription forever. Or even what one user suggested that we can only use versions up to what we paid for and if we didn't continue the subscription, we no longer get updates but can still use it. I think the latter is the best model for you to go with. I imagine people would even be willing to pay more per month for that thing than a yearly subscription would total to per month and you totally lose access.

It feels like this is a very first version and Scirra just starting to create an engine.

I'm wondering how much time will be necessary to have a full working version

Well, seeing as how the earliest available version of C2 was released 26th Jun, 2011, if this can be compared to the earliest versions of C2, I'd say about 6 more years. lol which that's not even considering the fact they will also be working on C2 alongside it.

Yeeeah I'm probably never going to go with C3, unless there are extremely extraordinary circumstances, because I don't like the idea of a subscription model with no purchase option. I don't make much money as it is and what if one of the years into it I don't have $99 at that time? I guess I'm just going to have to put all my stuff on hold for a month or more.

I would happily pay another $99 (no subscription) for a package of working features and exporters for the existing C2 engine and I think most C2 game designers would be willing to support Scirra in that way.

+1 x 1000

That doesn't seem to have any issue. It's just an actual project takes excessively long to do things like saving (though that is fairly random and sometimes it's instantly) run in NWjs, opening, etc. Though I've already suspected that it might have something to do with my layouts sometimes being 40mb, give or take.

Yeah I think that's what I was seeing, honestly. I guess for some reason C2 didn't notify me I needed to update it.

I only set it to sizes like x2, x4, x8, etc. I thought those would make it evenly resize, and it worked just fine until the update before I posted this.

I already have it set to that.

I have Windows 7 Home Premium, AMD Phenom II X4 945 with 3 Ghz, 8GB RAM, if you need any other specs, lemme know.

Not sure about new projects, I don't have time to work on any others except my current one. It's saved as a project folder and not a single file, if that makes a difference, so I can upload changes easily to an SVN.