Don't you think it would be useful to visually represent where the resolution of the window would be in the layout editor?

yes

[quote:7u7r5om6]What I still don't understand is the ability to have these things (katamaris) grow. I'm not entirely sure myself of how it would work conceptually, not just on Construct. I tried adding the size value of the pickup to the size value of the ball when it picks it up but it didn't work out so well.

make the physics sprite visible, and set the opacity to 20 percent

make sure it is on top of everything else

so you can see the physics circle, but you can see the trash and katamari through it

now watch what happens when it gets bigger

your bigger sprite probably isn't repositioning itself to be circling around the katamari and the trash, it's just making a big invisible circle around the original katamari.

you have to figure out the math to make the new size be circling the katamari plus the junk.

it should stretch to an oval, and set itself to an angle thats the best fit for the trash

math is power

and the math section of the system expressions wiki will come in handy

for this to work, you may have to destroy the original physics sprite and create a new one in it's place in order to align the physics circle with the trash it's supposed to be circling. the physics behavior doesn't allow you to move objects without using the physics itself to do it. you can copy over the velocity and angular velocity to the new object so it will continue to move the way the original one did

may also use a second invisible sprite to choose which objects should be picked up

because if you think about it, if you pick up a pencil and it's poking far out from the karamari, causing it to roll differently, you don't want guys sticking to the tip of the pencil. it's a growing circle around the katamari itself, even if the trash is changing the overall shape with one or two odd items, it never loses it's roundness for too long, so the collision mask should grow, but not in the same way the physics object does.

EDIT: For dropbox, make sure you put the file you want to share in the public folder of dropbox, and then rightclick and copy public link

You can already apply behaviors to canvases, what are you talking about?

I'm not quite sure anymore....

...I guess I must've been tired and not realized I was on event sheet editor when I tried. I can't see why else I would've thought you couldn't. Well, at least now my feature request is filled.

I didn't watch the video

but I was a big katamari fan back in the day

I think the katamari has phyics, and I think it's kindof similar to the oval thing

or else it would never roll with a big pencil sticking out

check out the platform school tutorial...I'm not sure which one, but it uses an invisible sprite to control collisions

it's quite simple though, you can try it for yourself

I don't have much time at the moment to make a cap, but try this

right click the ball we have now

then right click on blank space

right click - then paste clone

this makes it paste a whole new object, not just a copy of that object

now the new sprite

go into behaviors, and delete the physics behavior

edit the sprite of the original object

just color it green or something

make that sprite invisible

it's at the bottom of the properties panel

start invisible

now make a new event

system-always

in this event create an action

double click the new sprite (that looks like the one we've been using, but has no physics now, remember)

doubleclick on the action set position to object

and then choose the green physics object as the object

create another new action under that one

again with our new sprite(not the green physics sprite)

the new action will be set angle

now play it again

it should look and play exactly the same as it did before

if it does that means, you did the invisible sprite thing

it all makes sense

you'd be surprised how nice the wobble would feel

load up the original katamari thing I posted

and stretch the katamari a little bit

so it's an oval and then run a preview

it has a nice feel to it

very katamariesque <---that's a real word, look it up

apply behaviors to canvases

you can put something there, and then make it do stuff

I think it's awesome as hell

and I think the story is awesome as hell, too, the way each part of the story introduces the concept of the next levels

and the puzzles are just plain brilliant

I thought when I first heard of it, "oh great, everyone thinks yet another time rewind game is original"

but I was totally blown away by all the creative ways it was used, and some of the crazy stuff you have to do in world 3 with the right left, forward rewind thing is...goodness

it's just freakin badass,

and just...

I stand corrected:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1013446/raiden2.cap

edit: although I think maybe a cubic curve instead of a quadratic might look cooler, and crazier

edit2: fixed cap, so now in start of layout you can choose the number of segments

also, in the last version I had a -10 pixel offset leftover from cutting and pasting

it's probably possible to make a chain of sprites and some distortion there to smooth it out if necessary without having the distortion change the collision much

just to fix the connecting edges

I don't know...I just haven't seen the smooth sprite chain done yet (or if I did, I didn't know it)

may be misplaced skepticism

ok, did the double hinging thing (thanks soldjah boy)

there are much fewer events and objects now

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1013446/katama2.cap

there's a problem now

it should be easy to say, if you're stuck, and you collide with them, they get stuck to you

however, if they're both the same family, it won't be easy to make events

that say hinge one to two, and two to one, because they'll both be picked and they'll both be the same family

there's a hacky way out of it, which is to do kindof what we were doing before, which was to replace the physics one, with a nonphysics one

this time, it would be to replace the physics one, with anotherphysics one

but from a different pickedup family

that way we can instruct construct about them separately

maybe soldjah or someone can come up with a better way than that. I suspect there might be, but it would definitely work, and I'll try to whip it up before my kids get home

[quote:2u37aa4z]Will construct still think the katamari is 5cm, because the katamari and the object are only hinged together, but not considered the same object? In MMF2, I'd fix this with flags.

you can use private variables in the katamari to update it's size, by adding together the size of everything that's on it.

but seriously, I know it's getting annoying by now, but read some of the tutorials and the wiki, you should really have known about private variables at least before you started this project. I'm not discouraging you from doing it, or even doing it now. I'm just saying at least one wiki page or tutorial a day. they don't take long, and you'll feel more comfortable. I don't mind helping, and I'm sure neither does anyone else. but at this point you're not going to learn as much as you would if you had some more of the basics down. and you're having other people develop your game, when it starts turning into a real game with your own graphics, and your own custom features, it's going to get bigger and bigger, and you're not going to want to give up just because you don't understand all the code so far, or because you can't recruit coders. construct is really easy, but different from other languages and dev packages. just make it a point to learn at least one thing a day, and then when you have a question of how to do something, you'll at least know where to look in the wiki for the basic stuff. know what I mean?

so...your first assignment is: http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/c ... _Variables

davioware

or maybe a chain of invisible sprites for collision detection?

I haven't tried the chain of sprites thing yet, does it come out looking smooth?

The pink ball is a great idea, but I'm not well versed enough in Construct to even start thinking about how to code something like that... I'm sure someone could do it though. I need a team of people for this game, I'm thinking.

That was my initial thought, although I couldn't find a way to get the objects stuck to the katmari stick to each other. See, an object that is stuck to the katamari needs to pick up other objects that it touches. But the objects can't stick unless one of them is stuck to the katamari, otherwise you'd have objects stuck together everywhere. So we need something like this...

If the katamari touches an object...

If object is smaller than katamari...

Stick the object to katamari

Turn on variable "stuck" to object

If variable "stuck" is on...

On collision with new object...

If new object is smaller than katamari...

Stick new object to object

Turn on variable "stuck" to new object

I'm actually working on a lot of art and sound for this game and it's going to have an interesting paper cutout style, or perhaps a retro one. But if anyone is interested in joining the team with me and helping with coding, I'd love it.

Another important feature is that every object is assigned a size, and that the katamari automatically picks up anything smaller than it. This way you don't have events for EVERY OBJECT that the katamari picks up. Something like this.

(Object is 5cm, size is a variable. Katamari is 55 cm.)

If Katamari size is > than object size, pick up object.

On collision with object smaller than katamari...

Stick object to katamari

Add object size variable to katamari size variable.

So the katamari should now be 60cm.

However there is a problem with this too (other than the fact that I don't know how to code it.) The katamari needs to only pick up objects that are at least 40% or maybe 50% smaller than it. You don't want a 200cm katamari picking up a 199cm object.

im in a bit of a rush, so im probably answering in the wrong order, but the last thing you said, to code stuff, just learn to say the problem in construct:make a family-pickupables

on collision with pickupable, if pickupable.size, is less than katamari.size/2...then do whatever.

soldjah boy is right, i had done that by mistake, and didnt think of the usefulness at the time..double hinging will stick the object.

theres a solution to the other thing too, but breaks over

gotta get back to work