Zonacas's Forum Posts

  • The point of C3, is to catch people in a subscriptions system where you will never have the software on property (it's a rental) so when in a few years when C4 is released if you want to continue using the software either C3 or C4 you have to keep paying and paying, paying for the same software with a few changes ... this is what is C3, C2 with a few improvements keeping the same drawbacks

    Summarizing ... pure and hard greed

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    Maybe the subscriptions system is due to the fear they have because the tools are getting better and already has little room for improvement ...

    There will come a day when they will not be able to justify the purchase of a new product because this will not bring many improvements over the previous one (C4?)

    So they ensure that if you want to continue using the software you must pay and pay

    With C3 you will not be able to consider not updating to the next version for a while, and to continue working without paying, you must continue paying if you want to continue using it with all its operative functions

    When in all those years you have paid as if you had bought it

    If you had bought the software you could continue working until you considered updating

    I think people have power

    If people do not support subscriptions, it will force Scirra to reconsider the situation

    I'm not going to support the subscriptions system, I was willing to pay much more but to buy, rent? no thanks

    The problem here is that Scirra can happen to something like Toshiba (Read news about Toshiba)

    By not focusing on its authentic users and going to other markets can lose everything

    Well, for what it's worth, Construct 2's education license is already a subscription, and that seems to have been working out fine.

    Also, you'd rather pay $500 up-front? That gets you five years of usage...

    I think they do not understand what the problem is here, or if they understand it but they do not care ...

    People do not want to Rent, people want to Buy software and use it when they want without any Pressure, if a year can not use it because they are busy with other tasks do not have the feeling of Throwing Money and when 10 years pass if Want to reuse that particular software Can always do it

    Scirra is forgetting a large part of its users, which make up a large part of the users of C2, many people who have a hobby and who do not dedicate full time to make games

    For these people, Subscription equals Throwing Money

    I usually buy and support various tools, I have several

    But this time Construct 3 is not for me, I will never support greed

    Fusion 3 is going to be awesome, it's going to have everything we really expect from a tool

    Scirra wants to try their luck with the subscription model, although they have done very well with the traditional model of selling, they have made a lot of money, so maybe they want to try their luck, because they know that if something goes wrong they have an economic mattress behind

    Here is where the users have the power, if many of them do not buy during the first year, Scirra will be in a tight spot and may have to go back to the traditional model

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    I do not understand a thing <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes">

    With the benefits Scirra has obtained with the method of selling software

    They have done really well and have a lot of money <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes">

    https://companycheck.co.uk/company/0762 ... financials

    https://www.endole.co.uk/company/07626452/scirra-ltd

    https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/scirra

    Because now they decide to switch to the subscription model?

    Look guys,

    Its like buying a house vs renting a house.

    If many houses are on the market and suddenly the one you looked forward to buying is revealed as rent only, you start to look at what else is available.

    That reveals a number of houses that have roughly the same price to buy and a bigger set of features. They might need some maintenance in a few years - so you will still pay upgrade fees to be up to date with the latest features. But because you bought them, you feel more secure living in them.

    Yes, you have to get used to them, but at least the keys are your keys, not some landlord's. That way you don't feel rushed to constantly look for a proper job in order to not become homeless. You can chill and continue to see the whole thing as a fun hobby

    Renting puts huge pressure on the user to spend more time using the service before time runs out. It makes it feel like another job, not a fun hobby. That is essentially what drastically changes scirra's target demographic. It will phase out a lot of the hobbyist users. That is why some people will feel left out

    Yes, and the rent of that "house" in 5 years, which is not yours, you have spent more money than if you had decided to buy another "house"

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    > Do you really believe that the subscription model will work in this case?

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    Scirra (and maybe the consultants they may have hired) thinks its a viable and sustainable business model. This thread is a bit of fun, but its a poll of under a 100 users

    the proportion is significant, I suppose the ratio would be maintained if the survey is higher

    The percentage between buy and subscriptions is increased in favor of buy, more and more, subscriptions seem to have stagnated and people who prefer to buy,Increases more and more

    It seems that most of the C2 user base are not companies but simple users who have a hobby

    Do you really believe that the subscription model will work in this case?

  • No control over many bugs

    And that can be increased with C3 not?

    It's better people who criticize with fundamentals and not the fanboys who defend anything without thinking

    If you really want to improve, you get more listening to the critics than the fanboys

    Well apart from the fanboyism/hate relationship that there is currently (which I don't get but whatever), PixelPower does have a point:

    Scirra does tend to not fix bugs coming from a third party ("Close as won't fix" anyone?), which break our games multiple times in the past for sometimes a very long wait (the jank/stutter), imagine a bug similar happens and break C3, oh my god, I hope they have a plan for that, because telling users not to update their browser would be downright stupid.

    Totally agree

    Is the problem of making Construct 3 work in the browser if something breaks in the browser Scirra have no control to fix it

    AnD4D You do not understand what i mean

    por cierto te lo dire en español

    No hay más necio que el que no quiere entender ni aprender.

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    > I hope that the subscription model fails miserably and so learn to listen to the community

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    Ah, that's poor form. You shouldn't ever wish failure on anyone. It's easy to be bummed, but take a breather on that thinking.

    You're wrong, it's not personal, I do not wish bad things to anyone, I was going to buy C3, but I do not want a subscriptions system, that's why I want it to fail, but I do not want C3 to fail, only the subscriptions system

    can you understand it?