Borotropo's Forum Posts

  • That's impossible. You can't give people bug fixes without the new updates, unless for each revision, you maintain a separate branch of the engine.

    You would still get the full updates but your version of the program would be feature locked.

  • Why is this even a thing to talk about? What kind of browser you used that does not have multiprocessing feature? Chrome was built upon it that stops other tabs that is non responsive to affect every other tab. Even Firefox has it now and is improving well. The only limitation is your computer hardware and talking about working on a large project, you are not a ordinary hobbyist. If that's the case you should get a better hardware...

    As I said above, even with sandboxing, I can get unresponsive tabs/entire browsers (Firefox & Chrome) plenty (not every day, but several times a month, probably weekly), and not just from crashed tabs but (presumably) desktop heap/browser instability issues.

    Running the latest versions of Firefox & Chrome (stable) on Windows 10, x99 board, 6-core 5820k, 16 GB DDR4.

  • +1 to OP

    • & at discount to existing owners, and at GREATER discount to business license owners, if personal/business licenses get scrapped
    • & for a lower fee to people who don't want to make use of the web IDE/cloud functionality

  • Even if some other browser tab doesn't take out the C3 IDE tab by crashing (sandboxing, but I don't think that's perfected yet), I can have 100 tabs open for days and eventually the browser becomes unresponsive (to the point that I can't do anything in a tab... like save work) so you have to kill and restart the whole browser.

    A browser IDE is a nice cheap solution for being able to run your software on any platform, but a total non-starter for me for anything I need to rely on for doing critical work.

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  • +1 to OP

    There can still be a one time fee (at discount for existing owners, preferably) for C3 and every few years for the new C4, C5, etc.

    Summary:

    • subscription fee for users who opt to use the web-based IDE/cloud functionality (not most, I'd assume)
    • keep personal/business licenses the same
    • one time fee for new versions of Construct (at discount, for existing owners) every 2, 3 or 4 years (3 seems about right... I'd like 4, but I'm sure Scirra would prefer 2)
    • if you don't want to "upgrade" to the new Construct every 2/3/4 years, guarantee at least security/bug fix updates to any version of Construct until program end of life (say.. 6 years after launch?)

    BUY/(pay once for life time)

    Keep personal/business licenses, get lifetime security/bug fixes for program until end of life (6 years?) and release a "new" version of Construct (3, 4, 5..) every 2/3/4 years that you have to pay* to "upgrade" to/keep getting "feature updates" perhaps.

    *At discount for existing owners

  • OP:

    This was my thoughts as well. I have no interest in an online editor or cloud functionality. A subscription fee would make sense for those that do.

    (I have no problem with them. They're good ideas. But I don't want it, and I certainly don't want to work from my browser, the most crash prone application on my PC..)

    A one time payment for the program, with free security/bug fixes until end of life would make sense, with perhaps another fee that gives you access to "new features updates" for a couple years.

    Not to mention, why are business license ($500) owners getting the same discount as personal license ($150) owners? It's mind boggling.

    I really liked C2 & Scirra, and have recommended it to anyone I know interested in this sort of thing.

    I have a business license and am feeling like I wasted my money now. For years I've been a proponent of Scirra and C2 as the best solution out there, but if C3 launches as announced I think I'll be done with Scirra and head for an alternative with a bitter taste in my mouth (and wallet).

    I understand Scirra has to make money, and only so many people out there will buy a game dev. program.

    But when I heard about C3's IDE supporting multiple platforms, I thought, well I don't need it now, but it's a good idea, and if we're getting a discount, I'd pay a bit more to support a Construct that I can use anywhere (Mac, Linux, etc.), might be handy some day.

    They didn't even do that. They did a web IDE (lazier, imo) with subscriptions..

    I don't know why you don't just continue as you have, and every 2 or 3 years announce a new version of Construct that you have to pay for (at a reduced price, for existing owners) for new features.

    So C2 users keep their business/personal license, keep getting bug fixes/security updates until end of life of the software (6 years?), and in 2017 (if you want) pay $100 for C3 to keep getting feature updates until C4 in 2020, or whatever year, when you have to pay $100 (or whatever) again.

    +1 to OP

    I have an expensive (soon to be obsolete?) C2 Business license.

    I didn't care much for a multiplatform dev. environment, but I wasn't opposed to it, it's a good thing, I was willing to pay a bit more to "upgrade" (as I thought) to pay for the development of this.

    Instead of doing the hard work of making a C3 IDE for Linux, Mac & etc. in addition to Windows, they just come up with a (imo, lazier) web IDE to take care of everyone.

    I'm ok with web engine games, I don't want a web IDE. Even if I did, I don't want to subscribe for it.

    • Why is this Chrome only? To start, ok.. I'd expect it to also at least hit Firefox.
    • $500 C2 business owners get the same discount as $150 C2 Personal license owners? ...

    I think this is a much better pricing idea:

    • If you want to use the web IDE/cloud save features, pay a monthly/annual subscription (perhaps higher than the current one quoted)
    • If you want to keep using a standalone local IDE, pay a one off fee (at discount, for C2 owners) for local C3

    &, critically, I can swallow this:

    I understand Scirra has expenses/needs to make money, and perhaps the userbase for C2/C3 can only get so big, and they still need to make money, well, then -

    • You buy C3 with a one-off payment, like C2, and you own it forever/no more fees, and it gets bug/security fixes forever* (*or say, 10 years, or 8 years, 6 years... a reasonable time frame before the software would be obsolete anyway)

    BUT

    if you want FEATURE updates to C3, well you get them for 5 years (or maybe 4 years, or whatever), and then if you want new feature updates at that time, pay a small renewal fee (less than the price of the original product), or don't and keep using the product with the old features and still get security updates/bug fixes

    • just do all of the above and call the "feature update renewal point" C4, etc., etc. then C5 2/3/4/5 years after that (which is what I think we all expected going from C2 to C3)
    • do the above and keep the business/personal licenses. So, still $500 for a business license, maybe even lower the personal license, but charge a fee for annual/whatever time period feature update renewal licenses. Perhaps Business licenses get a business license and 3 years of features, and personal license owners get a personal license and 1 year of features

    As it stands, Business license owners are really getting the short end of the stick compared to personal license owners, not even addressing the subscription/WEB IDE topics

  • +1

    Someone who bought a $150 C2 license gets the same discount as someone who bought a $500 (soon to be obsolete?) Business license..